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minator Merely Curious Joined: 2003/1/6 Posts: 9 Subject : Re: MorphOS official release? Posted : 2003/1/31 18:49 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK I'll try and answer what I can but I'm not party to everything thats going on and on some fronts final decisions have yet to be taken. Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Does the MorphOS (that is currently being shipped to pegasos buyers) contain all those features/items that are mentioned in the featurelist (exluding those that are said to be in development in the featurelist)? (I think it should, if you guys sell it with pegasos and refer to the featurelist. Or you should update your website accordingly (IMHO).) - People seem to have got BT2 package until now, when will the 1.0 (or the next version) ship? (a little while ago it was said at pegasosppc.com that BETATESTER version is not good enough for end users) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As I said the features list is what we're working towards and what you'll get, but maybe not quite right now. MorphOS is at this point aimed at more advanced users who have a reasonable idea of what they're doing. Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - How about CSPPC and BPPC owners. Will they be able to get MorphOS1.0 as a stand alone installation (not needing to buy things like smart card reader with it)? - If so, will it happen during this year? - And will CSPPC/BPPC+Mediator users be supported? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We do plan to ship MorphOS for CVPPC and BPPC but there are problems with some cards which may never be solved simply due to time and resources. This is a potential support nightmare and is the explanation why nothing beyond an old beta has ever been released for those cards. Mediator - No plans at this minute, highly unlikely to change. Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Does the basic A1 mean the TeronCX or a AmigaOneSE with the special ROM? - Do you plan to release stand alone MorphOS1.0 for A1 boards? - If so, will it happen during this year? - Do you plan to release stand alone MorphOS1.0 for TeronCX/PX boards? - If so, will it happen during this year? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't think a final decision has been made on support for either the A1 or the Teron Boards but given the problems we've had with the Articia on our own board it's debatable if we could get MorphOS to work properly on other systems without the same hardware fixes. But as I said there's yet to be a final decision. Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Genesi seems to be planning to do a lot of things at the same time (PDA, CPU cards, Pegasos2, STB, server and traditional Thendic products). Most need a totally new HW and a lot of new SW. How are you going to manage to handle the huge R&D work amount? (I wish you would not promise things that are unrealistic, see what AI did and pissed off the community.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever wondered why we are hiring There is a lot to do and it needs very careful management to keep on track. That's why we've brought in an experienced management team from Crossbee. Don't expect everything to appear at once... Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Are you going to get your numerous web pages updated anytime soon? For example the pegasos information at your eclipsis pages are highly missleading, currently. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, a whole new web structure is being developed. Why do you think the Eclipsis pages are misleading? Other questions: Q-Box: Don't hold your breath. SMP: Needs Q-Box. CPUs: This is sometimes beyond our control e.g? A CPU we wanted to use for one project was recently delayed. Also some CPU suppliers tend to be vague at the best of times. Features list: Better Explanations - It's just a features list, not a book, do you want the team to be producing the features or just writing about them? Some things may be implemented and used in the system but not available to developers and/or users, these are features but there's little point elaborating further. To all other questions the answer is one of: A) I'm not sure, B) I don't know, C) I do know and I'm not telling you Hope this Helps. Nicholas Blachford bbrv Too much Caffeine Joined: 2002/11/5 Posts: 86 Subject : MorphOS and the future... Posted : 2003/1/31 23:54 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good job Nicholas! Here is something to think about this weekend concerning Morph-on-Mac... We have two strains of thought and we are discussing the virtues of each approach. 1. Target pre-nvidia PPC Macs 2. Target the newest sytems Bring life back to "old" systems or stay with the market... What do you think? Thanks for the feedback. Sincerely, R&B bbrv Too much Caffeine Joined: 2002/11/5 Posts: 86 Subject : Re: MorphOS and the future... Posted : 2003/2/1 5:36 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We just posted this on another thread, but it seems relevant here too. ...we are thinking that the whole "value" proposition is changing. With the emphasis on the speed of the CPU and the size of the memory, the computer became an end in itself and not a means to an end. While being a “fashion statement” could also be enviable (we actually saw a 50+ year old wearing a mobile in a designer case on a colorful cord around her neck recently), to the market we are targeting this is not yet our ambition. G3 or G4? Who cares! What can you do is the issue (G-Force does not sound too bad though). How about a “G”bit Ethernet channel (or three in the northbridge)? Seriously, the domination of Windows and the “personal computer” itself have pushed the average user away from understanding what is really “under the hood.” Most computer users have a superficial knowledge of what makes what they do work and the relationship between “man and machine” ends at the GUI. OK, someday we need to deliver exactly that “simplicity” to the market, but today, we have to focus on niches. For example, there will not be memory protection in MorphOS for some time, but we are not targeting MorphOS at either the server or the desktop for the mass-market, so while this will come in the QBox, it is not a feature and consequently they are not markets we are focused on (for MorphOS). On the other hand, Debian and Gentoo users like the Pegasos very much and have different aspirations for the platform. We are hoping that the OpenBSD port attracts plenty of interest too. Our first strike in the market is toward “techies” and “geeks,” who know what they are getting into and want something different NOW. They are the artist/creator/engineer types that can write their own programs and still know how to make a computer, a television or a stereo do what they want it to do (at home with a soldiering iron if necessary!). Ultimately, it will be those people that help us carry the message to the masses, because they will have helped us create it. And, one more thing about MorphOS...until we feel MorphOS has all the features in needs to be sold, it will not be. Anyone who buys a Pegasos will get it along free upgrades until then. When we feel it is ready, we will release it to a broader market. Will we do our best to provide "retro-support" too, but we cannot do everything at once and we are focused on the Pegasos for the moment. Best regards, Raquel and Bill Alkuperäinen viestiketju [Edit: Linkkiä lyhennetty. -Thoriel] | ||
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"Tosin tietenkin pieni mainita siitä että kaikkia lisukkeita ei vielä ole paketissa mukana olisi kanssa kohteliasta olla." Agreed! | ||
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| Joanna |
Nykyisten myytyjen Pegasosten MOS on versio BT2 eli se ei ole vielä lopullinen/täysi paketti. Tiedän että se saattaa kuulostaa sekavalta (olen huomanttanut asiasta parillekkin webbisivuston pitäjälle että asiaa voisi selkeyttää) mutta se on vielä 'vain edistyneille harrastajille' ..  Jani: Ainakin BPPC versio on toiminut jo pitkään mos kehitysympäristönä mutta sen saaminen loppukäyttäjälle myyntikelpoiseksi tuotteeksi voi olla hankalaa/aikaavievä yms. Siis noiden vanhojen korttien (+ N+2001 lisäpalikan) tukeminen ei ole helppoa. No, sen näkee sitten mitä tekevät, tuskin sitä kumminkaan hukkaankaan heitetään. | ||
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Julkaisupoliitiksta en tiedä, mutta BPPC ja CSPPC toimivat kyllä ihan jees (tosin kaikista eksoottisista laajennuksista en tiedä). Prometheus-tuki on viimeistelyä vajaa. | ||
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Ei ainakaan BVPPC:n kanssa. Tämä on juuri rev0 lauta (phase5 laatua), ja hyvin toimii. GRex ei taida toimia (kunnolla) rev0:a tosin. | ||
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BVision, BPPC (yllätys yllätys...) Power Flyer (Tosin, MorphOS ei tunnu tykkäävän splitistä, ei tuota kannata mielestäni edes käyttää, mutta tulipas testattua) X-Surf (1 ajuri ei toiminut, mutta Miamin MNI ajuri toimii ok) Ja tietenkin toimivat myös 25G HD, CD ja CDRW&DVD (combo asema) Pitänee noita muitakin laitteita joskus testata (Skanneri, Squirrel, piirtolauta, midi, printteri...) | ||
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Janne&Hooligan: Juuh.. se juttu on varsin outo ottaen huomioon hänen muun tekstinsä tason. | ||
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Meni yli hyvän maun ja yli ymmärryksen. Ja sen thread on jo nyt niin iso että on se liikuttanut muitakin. Harmi.. siinä meni osittain hukkaan se kaikki hyvä pr-työ mitä Genesi on tehnyt viime aikoina. Jotenkin alkaa tuntua että Buck ei enää mahdu omaan egoonsa. Ja kuka fiksu business manager käskee asiakkaan pitää turpansa kiinni ja mennä pois koska häntä ei tarvita!? Käsittämätöntä toilailua. Nimimerkki oli muuten bbrv .. olikohan Velasco olan takana näyttämässä peukkua SUBMIT-napin painallukselle | ||
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Tästä "Ei Buckia kannata demonina nähdä..." ja nuista viimeisistä kommenteista tuli mieleen että ei se mikään demoni tietenkään oo (vaikka ulkonäkö voikin joskus säikäyttää), mutta suukapula kait olisi kuitenkin sopiva.... ei yhtä massiivinen kuin McEvenille ... jos vaikka nenäreiät jättäis teippaamatta... 8) | ||
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http://morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&nid=209 | ||
| Joanna |
Sitten.. Erinäisten teknisten syiden vuoksi (joista ainakin osa lienee vähemmän julkisia, mutta voin taata että viivästyksistä ei ole mitään talousellista hyötyä ainakaan Genesi:lle) tuotannon käyntiin saaminen on viivästynyt useaan kertaan ja hänelle koneen luvannut myyjä ei ole pystynyt täyttämään sokkona annettuja lupauksiaan. Siitä eteenpäin en tiedä mitä on tapahtunut koska näemmä Miky on sirtynyt (ilmeisesti tammikuun alun aikoihin) suoraan kirjeenvaihtoon BBRV:n ja Thierry Valescon kanssa (lienee väärin kirjoitettu tuo sukunimi..). Thierry on tunnetusti liki toivoton vastaamaan sähköposteihin joten ei ole ihme jos jotain on mennyt sekaisin kommunikaatiossa vallankin kun muistaa että tammikuun alku oli lomaikaa ja sen jälkeen oli CES messut .. --- Noista BBRV kirjoituksista.. Ilmeisesti jonkun pitäisi sanoa riittävän selkeästi päin näköä ettei tuo taktiikka jota hän käyttää ole kovinkaan hyvää PR:ää. Siis jos joku valittaa (ja vallankin jos vielä on osin aihettakin) ei sen ohittaminen onnistu sanoamalla "et ole asiakkaamme etkä tule olemaankaan"... Sitäpaitsi se ei toimi muutenkaan, valmiiksi negatiivisesti suhtautuvien ihmisten ärsyttäminen tuollatavoin tuskin johtaa siihen että ne jättävät homman siihen. Sitten sellainen minua askarruttava kysymys.. Onko heillä varaa todella valikoida asiakaskuntaansa vai mistä oikein tuulee firmassa? Minä luulisin että vaikka tilanne tällähetkellä ilmeisesti onkin se ettei heillä ole riittävästi koneita edes innokkaimmille tulee kumminkin se päivä kun pitäisi saada myös massat liikkelle. Ja silloin... no, minä heitä ymmärrä... Tulee jos/kun tulee. Näkee sitten. | ||
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Mun mielestä he tekivät silti virheen. Kerroin sen heille mailissakin. Se numerojuttu oli typerä, samoin muutama aikaisempi vastaava - on ihan kiva etteivät vain halua myydä tai mitä vaan, ja että on luonnetta tai mitä vaan, mutta silti toivoisin ammattimaisempaa käytöstä. HE TEKEVÄT ITSELLEEN VAHINKOA. Tekivät jo nyt. Mitä, Suomen kiinnostuneiden määrä tippui viidestä nollaan? Joku voisi sanoa sen heille. Minä yritin. Eivät vastanneet. Ja ennenkuin joku lukee kommentteihini liikaa: Pidän silti Genesiä paljon parempana kuin Amiga & co. ja siksi Buckin typerät kommentit harmittaa. Valheita sieltä ei ole vielä kuulunut mikä saisi muuttamaan mieltäni tosta, mutta toi huono käytös muuten vaan pilaa tunnelmaa - ja asiassa jossa fiilis on kaikki kaikessa (en minä Pegasosta ostaisi siksi että se tekee järkeä - ostaisin siksi että olisi fiilistä), on todella vahingollista pilata se tunnelma. Toivon että tarpeeksi moni teistäkin mailaa Buckille ja kertoo mielipiteensä. Ehkä tulee järkiinsä. --- Thanks Daniel and Frodon for attempting to deal with these two difficult individuals. We appreciate your effort. @ Mr. Cato Hagen -- I did not post your telephone numbers online. The numbers were altered. We both know that. It was done in response to your challenge to me directly to post something about you. It was done in jest. You know that too. In any case, anyone can find your numbers online in the telephone directory. @ Miky 060 -- we sent you an email this morning directly, but for some reason you have decided to persist here. To make the record clear, when we decided to send our last board in Paris to Elena (whose Fractal program and efforts were earlier featured on this site) we had not received any funds from you. As of Friday, 7 February, this continues to be a fact. If on Monday or in the future we receive any funds transferred from you we will send them back. We will NOT be accepting your funds, selling you a Pegasos directly or bringing you to Paris. We will have absolutely NOTHING to do with you. Under the circumstances, we are not interested in working with you in any capacity. @ all concerned -- we are interested in the future. We are interested in dealing with positive and self-motivated, responsible people. We are not interested in Cato Hagen as a customer. Further, we are not interested in working with Michele Magliocca as a Developer, a customer or even a coordinator. If that hurts our credibility then, oh well, we will just try to move ahead without them. We are not going to accept in the name of commercialism an obsequious attitude to "potential customers". They are not potential customers for us, because we are not interested in the "sale" only. In the meanwhile, if Hagen and Magliocca are not interested in the way we use this site and our products then they can just stay away from here and us. Perhaps, the rest of you may be wondering how statements like that fit into our "master plan". Well, we have limited quantities of the Pegasos again soon and for the moment we are trying to make sure they go into the hands of people that will help advance the platform. We are interested in people that -- while they may not share our opinions -- have skills and ideas that interest us. In the next phase, we can hopefully provide more product than the demand, but until then we will operate this way. Finally, we are not hurting ourselves by these kinds of responses, we are trying to do our part to get rid of the senseless trolling on these boards (and besides we have character it is attractive to some and not too others, but it is who we are). The Pegasos and MorphOS have begun to revive this community and attract new members. We don't need all the disappointment of the past ruining the future and we do not these two people to assist us to do anything. Our delays are 100% attributable to the problems of our vendors. We cannot sell something that does not work correctly. When we can, we will. Believe me, we want to! We have invested significantly in the Pegasos, MorphOS and the people needed to support the effort. We have worked out the final difficulties and expect to be shipping product again soon. We are looking forward to success! Sincerely, R&B | ||
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bbrv (10-Feb-2003, 12:00:42) - [ Answer | Singleview ] Amiga will be represented in the case, so there will not be a Default Judgment. The whole process will take months now -- and we will NOT be posting updates...;-) Best regards, R&B [Edit: Linkki siistitty. -Thoriel] | ||
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Ilmeisesti tuo oikeusjuttu tulee olemaan mielenkiintoinen, tosin minä olin jäänyt kästykseen ettei Amiga.inc:illä olisi ollut lakiosastoa enää pirkään aikaan. No ehkä ne huhut uudesta sijoittajasta pitävätkin paikkansa ja heillä onkin varaa. Tai sitten Ben Hermans on lähtenyt apuun | ||
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Kas... siinä oiva tekosyy seuraavaan AOS4 myöhästymiseen... I hope not! | ||
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Mutta bbrv on sitä mieltä että he eivät tee sillä hallaa vaan heidän täytyy olla asioissa kovana. Heidän mielestään he tekevät tällä vain hyvää - vrt. lausunnot MorphOS-Newsissä. Minä olen niiiiiin kovasti eri mieltä. Mutta oma on asiansa. Kai heillä siihen on oikeus, mutta vahinkoa tekevät tunnelmalle ja omalle maineelleen. Not good. | ||
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http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&nid=209 Various Subjects? Last night Mai confirmed to us the delivery of 400 old Articias. This is the final lot of OLD Articias available. There will be a new Articia, but that is not the subject of this post. We will order the April PCBs this week and make as many Pegasos mainboards as we can. Everything else is ready. All the components should be at DCE by 24 February. The production can occur that week. This will make many of you happy ? maybe even Michele Magliocca (Miky060). Michele, we have made an example out of you intentionally. I take the responsibility for that. I did not like the way you communicated with us or with the people in the Company. I did send emails to you and I have your answers. We are very busy, but when it seemed that our communications were becoming difficult I invited you at OUR EXPENSE to come to Paris AND get a Pegasos. Naturally, the timing of the trip depended on the availability of the Pegasos. In the meanwhile, you had NOT paid for the Pegasos you wanted, and to recognize the great work of Elena Novaretti (www.elena-fractals.it), we awarded it to her. Congratulations Elena! We need to be working with people like you! OK, before I get accused of being heavy handed AGAIN here is a new proposal recognizing Michele?s last post on this thread: 1. We do think something is lost in the language translations. Raquel can speak Italian, but I cannot. At least, Michele is trying to communicate in English (that is better than me). 2. We know from your friends (who have sent us a few emails) that you are a true MorphOS/Pegasos supporter and that at times you have an extremely expressive way of communicating. Me too. Please accept my apology if I have offended you unjustly. Please try harder to overcome our language and cultural differences. I will too. It might be nice if you gave us a little consideration for all the investment we have made in this project. We are not doing all the things we have based on the revenue generated through Pegasos sales?;-) 3. You are not a customer YET, but you will be IF you still want to be you can be. We will make good our offer again to bring you to Paris ? when we have a board to give you. Bring your money. You give it to me. We will give you a Pegasos. We will return your funds if we receive them, so you can bring them back. We can meet and discuss the future of the Pegasos and MorphOS. Maybe, when you leave we will understand each other better. I hope this will settle the matter once and for all. Michele, you are invited to accept our offer here?:-) Hey, you started it here, lets finish it here! There are so MANY other things moving forward there is just no time for this kind of trouble. BTW, this thread started off with a word of thanks to Juergen Lucas and Daniel Miller. We can now add a word of thanks to Fabrice Lehaut. Thank you again! We do appreciate the effort! Genesi stands on the verge of enormous opportunity. We can provide a completely integrated solution, including hardware, operating system, and a number of (bundled and unbundled) applications. We can innovate in ways that involve the complete integrated package, rather than being limited to new developments within each level by third parties (HP and Microsoft are not as self-reliant in this way). Genesi and our associates need to leverage this advantage fully. We are smaller, faster and will be necessarily more adventurous in our efforts. We believe we can be the real and long awaited -- ?NeXT? ? if we can do that -- think about that in terms of the Pegasos and MorphOS of course...;-) More good information here soon! Sincerely, R&B | ||
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No, sitten sen näkee mihin tuo kaikki johtaa. Ainakin tuo ilmoitus 400 articia:n saamisesta ja siitä seuraava koneiden teko on positiivinen uutinen. Siis tuo tilanne ettei ole mitään saatavilla on ollut omiaan nostamaan ihmisten stressitasoja. | ||
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Kaksi kottikärryllistä plussapistepalleroita bbrv suuntaan. bbrv on norsu posliinikaupassa, mutta sillä norsullapa on myös "hep-hep" liimaa (pikaliimaa) tarvittaviin korjauksiin. (ehkäpä ilmastointiteipin voi sittenkin pyhittää täysin McEwenin nupin umpeenteippaamiseen) | ||
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En yhtään epäröi etteikö kohta mentäis taas... mutta that's just the way how life goes Amigan ja sen sukulaisten maailmassa. | ||
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Seuraavana (= parasta aikaa) odotetaan milloin Eyetech saa ne aikaa sitten myydyt Earlybird-XE:t ihmisille saakka. Mutta niiden tilanne kuuluukin ihan toiselle palstalle. | ||
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KimmoK: Milenkiintoinen väriasteikko mittarissasi. | ||
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Kimmo: en tiedä enää minne satukirjaosastoon McE laukomat jutut oikein pitäisi luokitella, hyvä puoli on ollut että hän on ollut monta kuukautta hiljaa eikä ole kerännyt julkisuutta millään ihmetempauksilla. | ||
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Posted by bbrv (212.198.0.93) on 15-Feb-2003 08:29:47 :-) BTW, we will be offering the next batch of boards through the channels we have used in the past AND through the Phoenix Developer Consortium. The price for Phoenix members who are participating in our quasi-sourceforge relationship with Genesi is $299 for the Pegasos mainboard with CPU. The new cases will come only with the Pegasos configured according to a certain specification. Best regards, R&B (Pegasos) In Reply to Comment 27: Hi Dave, they will still be produced in Germany...and in Taiwan! R&B | ||
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Tärkeämpi havainto on tuo 299$ hinta joka on annettu Phoenix:in jäsenille. Nyt se on laajennettu kattamaan myös joitakin muita järsjestöjä.. "Note: We will also be extending the same pricing to user groups through Phoenix. " Olisiko aika perustaa se Speku? Vai saisikohan Saku tuon saman hinnan jäsenilleen??? [Edit: Linkki siistitty. -Thoriel] | ||
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Thanks DaveP -- we hope people are beginning to see that... Plexuscom manufactures for a few very well known customers, including Pioneer. The fact that the owner of the Plexuscom has diversified from other businesses is a complement to his management and business ability. We got started again after VisCorp by beginning a Security company. In 1997, that company had $500,000 in revenue. In 2002, it had $25,000,000 in revenue. It was this company that helped us develop Thendic-France. Good business develops one step at a time. We hope Genesi can be as successful as Plexuscom one day. We are happy to be working with them. Sincerely, R&B Alkuperäinen viesti Hey, that is great! Scott, again we really appreciate the effort. Whatever the new name for the Pegasos User Group is we will look forward to meeting them. After CeBIT Australia in Sydney 6-8 May, we will be coming to Melbourne to meet the new User Group. Sincerely, R&B [Edit: Linkit korjattu. -Thoriel] | ||
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Today, Genesi stands on the verge of enormous opportunity. We can provide a completely integrated solution, including hardware, operating system, and a number of (bundled and unbundled) applications. We can innovate in ways that involve the complete integrated package, rather than being limited to new developments within each level by third parties (HP and Microsoft are not as self-reliant in this way). Genesi and our associates need to leverage this advantage fully. We are smaller, faster and will be necessarily more adventurous in our efforts. The Plexuscom case is a case. It is still a Pegasos inside. We need to be different. You can still by a "tower" from Vesalia or KDH. You can put the board in a microwave oven or a coffeemaker as you said if you want...;-) What is a computer? Is it an end in itself or a means to an end? Respectfully, R&B | ||
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If our strategic vision is compelling and our execution excellent, we will increasingly attract skilled developers (like you). What Ralph, Frank and the core MorphOS Development Team have accomplished to date is exceptional, but now we need to establish a professional development and management system for MorphOS, formally retain the services of all key MorphOS developers, and recruit new talent to the project. We have struck on the Phoenix association to develop a third-party vehicle to do this too. It is not much more than a concept today, but we are starting to see ideas solidify on the mailing lists and there is a good deal of potential there. We need to be somewhat selective in insuring that these next boards go to people that will advance in communion with our effort. Hence, our new pricing offer through Phoenix for $299/299 Euro (understanding the fluctuations?if it becomes a big difference we will adjust). Our targeted resource/sales markets from the near to medium term are: 1. Amiga/MorphOS 2. DTV STB and Pegasos STB 3. LinuxPPC and OtherPPC We will continue to promote to the Amiga/MorphOS market, as we have. Our underlying focus will be: broadening and stabilizing MorphOS, attracting applications and drivers (ports/original programs), and establishing a ?Pegasos? toolkit. At the same time, the "Pegasos Network" is working (ex. www.pegasos-XXX.com) and our online sales support and information site at www.genesi-support.com will continue to improve. If we are lucky we will awaken and attract the slumbering ex-Commodore consumer market, but that will take some time and we are not quite ready for mass-market attention. The sites will be there and ready. Until we are ready for ?prime time? we will not promote the sites as much as we could. Plus, we will standardize the Pegasos distribution network over the next few months taking a semi-franchise approach. When we are ready, everything will be in place. (You might also want to check out www.morphzone.org) On the hardware side we start where we are: the Pegasos. We have discussed the features: upgradeable (G3, G4, Dual, etc.), scalable (stackable boards), modifiable (smaller ? eclipsis, subsets/modular ? Psylent/STB), and open, as in Open Firmware (facilitates scheme for peripheral association/development IAW the IE1275 standard). We have developed a solid plan and feature set for each Pegasos envisioned and the corresponding software bundles. The management review actually begins today in Paris. The bplan guys arrive today as well as others. It was the Pegasos that convinced our largest customer to go ahead with the DTV STB project. It is worth hundreds of thousands of Euros to us and it is what IS creating the opportunity to do everything else. It is still based on MorphOS and a PPC, so our Developers will be insured a stable business partner and an increasing stable environment for development and the future. In this case the potential is enormous and the development contract itself produces the profit equivalent of more than the sale of 1000 Pegasos mainboards per month. Can you understand the benefit this brings to all efforts? The Pegasos STB is just a Pegasos (and something else again), but it is focused on another market. It actually aims more at breaking down the digital ?Berlin Wall? between countries in Europe and North America and countries everywhere else that are not so affluent (Mainland China, India, Latin America, Africa, etc.). We could sell this product as a "computer" that uses the television in the home already as a monitor (like computers of the past we have known). From the hardware side, it is a relatively simple development for us. A CD drive and a hard disc would be optional. There would be keyboard and remote control options (a users existing keyboard or mouse could be used as the Pegasos is already compliant with open firmware standard IEEE1275). Of course, this would create an interesting market for memory sticks (see www.plexuscom.com). There are hundreds of applications already running on the Pegasos, including many games and all in many languages (thanks to the ability to run Amiga applications). Our thought is that PCs do not have the same penetration in these areas as in Western countries for years to come simply because of their cost. With volume we'll be able to undercut them without sacrificing functionality or speed. We think the potential could be running into millions of units. BTW, last year STBs of video games sold nearly 30 million units (PlayStation2, Xbox, and GameCube). We are not at that level yet, but we could be and we can offer more applications than games (and no special attachment for the Internet either). About Linux and the other targets.. Linux people usually want something great for nothing, but in the PPC market if we can get a design win over the competition the next price point is a Mac. As more professionals and desktop consumers switch to Linux, the future of commercial software on Linux is very bright and so is our hardware. Functionality will become precedent over cost in this market. We need a bootable bundled distro and Mac-on-Linux. Linux will be a major force in the future. Today, it is still difficult to install software, drivers, set up firewalls, etc., but because of the generous licensing environment and the massive corporate support Linux is gaining (IBM, HP, etc.) as well as government mandates and funding in many countries, it is set to become the "next big thing.? We need to be part of that trend. Any PPC OS that is reasonable to port with external resources is interesting to us. We have a Go/NoGo decision matrix (that gets more tuned as we advance). Again, we are looking for resources and developer talent. For example, while Linux gets the glory, BSDs are running some of the biggest sites. The OpenBSD port is being undertaken now (we got the first screenshot last week). Further, there is an increasing amount of interesting open source projects we could find a way to adapt to our use. Finally, we are interested in restoring the Demo Scene to the Pegasos. The traditional and overt message in a demo was technical skill. The visual effects pushed the supposed limits of the platform?s capability and graphics were skillfully executed. Good demos are the marriage of advanced technical, creative and artistic abilities. For the future, we need a new generation of ?Sceners? to be pulling the most from the platform and the OS. This can generate plenty of positive attention. Besides the nVidia butterfly lady has the wrong color wings! This is why we decided to sponsor Equinoxe (and maybe BreakPoint if we can sort something out this week). All these ?other things? all ultimately bring us back to our key advantage: a completely integrated solution, including hardware, operating system, and applications. The new Management Team is working hard to turn this vision into a reality. They will be presenting the first plans this week. While the sale of the Pegasos and MorphOS alone could never sustain the Company we are building, it may one day in the future. We use the Pegasos today to begin our move to the future, while insuring the development and growth of the MorphOS. Hope you appreciate how early we got up to write this! We will be very busy this week ? not too many more posts or emails will be answered. Best regards, R&B Alkuperäinen viesti [Edit: Linkki korjattu. -Thoriel] | ||
| KimmoK |
((yrityskuva: Verkkoja on laskettu veteen joka puolelle ja R&D fokus liikkuu kysynnän/rahoittajan/potentiaalin mukaan, niin hyvässä kuin pahassa. Desktop osion backup:na lienee mm. henkilöt RS ja Frank Mariak, jotka varmaan kehittävät unelmiensa pöytäkäyttistä vaikka managerit tekis mitä... tai jotain tuonnepäin.)) ((Eikä managereilla liene valittamista, esim. bbrv lienee onnellinen mies.)) | ||
| Joanna |
Toisaalta... Tuskin tuohon tilanteenseen täysin tyytyväinenkään voi vielä olla. Siis tämän Aritica-S sohlan kanssa on mennyt niin paljon aikaa/rahaa hukkaan että se tuntuu jonkin aikaa. Mutta kumminkin nuo diilit ovat lupaavia, mutta kuten aina... Tulevaisuudesta tiedä kukaan. | ||
| KimmoK |
Mutta kun se rahoitus ja markkinointi nimen omaan voi olla vetämässä kehitystä pois desktop asioista ja kääntämässä MOS:a PDA/STB käyttiksen suuntaan. Ja minun pointsi on että vain RS:n kuoleen ruumiin ylitse MOS:n desktop kehitys loppuu. Mikä on ratkaisevan hyvä positiivinen seikka Genesiin tekemisissä (mukana on siis onneksi muutama vanhapartajääräpää). ;) | ||
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| KimmoK |
Jengin hauska perhepotretti on täällä: http://www.morphos.net/support.php3 (ja se "jäärä" oli sitten kohteliaisuus) | ||
| Piru |
En kyllä kerro missä kohdassa ta | ||
| Janne |
How about Genesi sponsor the Show. Eyetech and Hyperion are welcome. We would be honored to do so. We are "Amiga" too. Why not? Sincerely, R&B http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1045470151&category=news&start=51 OK, Day #1 Meetings are over... http://en.genesi-support.com/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=18 is a mini article about the meeting. http://en.genesi-support.com/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=9 is where there are a few images from the day itself. We are just getting started...;-) R&B | ||
| KimmoK |
>BBRV writes: >"FYI, the CeBIT release is nothing when compared >to what will happen next...;-)" Woo hoo... another soccer team sponsorship?! bbrv: ...On the fields of friendly strife are sown the seeds which on other fields on other days will bear the fruits of victory! ;-) *************************** Paljon melua tyhjästä? Tai sitten ei. | ||
| Piru |
Niin. Tuohan on quote kenraali Douglas MacArthur:lta. Buck on käynyt West Pointin elikkä sieltä lienee tuo lähtöisin. | ||
| Jon |
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| Janne |
This is a letter we sent out today to the "inside" group...(sorry no images!)... 22 February 2003 Dear Friends of Genesi, We wanted to provide some basic communication this weekend to all of you, because frankly our focus this past week has been the Management meetings here in Paris. We hope that this letter will assist you in understanding more clearly the direction of the Company. Please feel free to respond directly to us at bbrv@genesi.lu with your questions. If you understand and share our vision, you can adjust your effort to become more relevant to our corporate framework if you desire. As we have said before, Genesi stands on the verge of enormous opportunity. We can provide a completely integrated solution, including hardware, operating system, and a number of (bundled and unbundled) applications. We can innovate in ways that involve the complete integrated package, rather than being limited to new developments within each level by third parties (HP and Microsoft are not as self-reliant in this way). Genesi and our associates need to leverage this advantage fully. We are smaller, faster and will be necessarily more adventurous in our efforts. Do not hesitate to share your most creativity ideas with these mailing lists. Together, we believe we can create a substantial and long awaited change to the IT marketplace. In the first BIG opportunity to our Company, we are required to develop using a PPC and MorphOS, a terrestrial Digital Television receiver with interactive/computing and smart card read and write functions (to be referred to as the DTV STB). This product will not require the use of the Articia and we will be producing significant quantities in the development phase ? and a special version of MorphOS (without hurting the complete version). If we deliver the DTV STB in a satisfactory manner we will be eligible to receive orders for over one million units. It is a once-in-a-lifetime professional opportunity for all of us. We need to make the most of it. Of course, none of this would be possible without the years of dedication required to bring the Pegasos and MorphOS to where it is today. We are all proud to be associated with the bplan guys. The difficulties over the last year have nothing to do with them. It is the Articia from Mai Logic that has caused us months of delays. It does not perform to the advertised specifications. Thankfully, Gerald and Thomas tested and mounted the Aritica on the April2. That is right -- the April2. The first patch that Gerald and Thomas developed works as we know, but there were still ?bugs.? The new Articia (and Teron) is still very likely to have trouble as more problems were detected after the Aachen Show and well after the joint work Gerald did with for the new Articia in October and November with Mai. The April2 brings the Articia fully to the performance levels it claims to achieve. We have purchased the remaining worldwide supply of the old Articias and will make 400 more Pegasos main boards with the G3 CPU. Our G3 Pegasos performs better than the G4 Teron with the Articia. This will be common knowledge soon (let the others understand this on their own ? our word will stand as testimony to our knowledge and skill). Once produced, we will stop (we may license production of this version of the Pegasos to Plexuscom or others). These machines will easily satisfy the Amiga market and give us the machines we need to seed our developer base while Gerald and Thomas switch out the old Articia to a much more attractive alternative (details later). This could be ready by the summer. The RAM speed of the Pegasos will be as high as any offered in the market and this WILL attract considerable interest. The DTV STB revenue can carry us until this point (remember this IS a business ? we hope you Developers begin to remember this!). To repeat a few words from an earlier communication? If our strategic vision is compelling and our execution excellent, we will increasingly attract skilled developers. What Ralph, Frank and the core MorphOS Development Team have accomplished to date is exceptional, but now we need to establish a professional development and management system for MorphOS, formally retain the services of all key MorphOS developers, and recruit new talent to the project. We have struck on the Phoenix association to develop a vehicle to do this. All registered Phoenix members must use a special Phoenix logon and password to have access to the reduced Pegasos pricing that will be available through www.pegasos-usa.com. We need to be somewhat selective in insuring that these next boards go to people that will advance in communion with our effort and our internal developers and Phoenix members will have priority. We will also develop the User Group program next week and a system for handling Pegasos sales so our Distributors also benefit. Our targeted resource/sales markets from the near to medium term are: 1. Amiga/MorphOS 2. DTV STB 3. LinuxPPC and OtherPPC We will continue to promote to the Amiga/MorphOS market, as we have. Our underlying focus should be: broadening and stabilizing MorphOS, attracting applications and drivers (ports/original programs), and establishing a ?Pegasos? toolkit. At the same time, www.pegasos-usa.com is working and our online sales support and information site at www.genesi-support.com will continue to improve. If we are lucky we will awaken and attract the slumbering ex-Commodore consumer market, but that will take some time and we are not quite ready for mass-market attention. The sites will be there and ready. Until we are ready with the Pegasos II we will not promote the sites as much as we could. Plus, we will standardize the Pegasos distribution network over the next few months taking a semi-franchise approach. When we are ready, everything will be in place. On the hardware side we start where we are: the Pegasos. We have discussed the features: upgradeable, scalable, modifiable (smaller ? eclipsis, subsets/modular ? Psylent/STB), and open, as in Open Firmware (facilitates scheme for peripheral association/development IAW the IE1275 standard). We will develop a solid plan and feature set for each Pegasos envisioned and the corresponding software bundles. The management review that took place this week was very successful. We have defined and agreed to our objectives and are now preparing a solid plan for the future. NOTE: for 200 Euros and trade-in ALL Pegasos I Users (includes Betatesters) WILL be able to upgrade to the Pegasos II (just to put an end to that FUD!). About Linux and the other targets?OS4 too -- ;-) Linux people usually want something great for nothing, but in the PPC market if we can get a design win over the Teron the next price point is a Mac. As more professionals and desktop consumers switch to Linux, the future of commercial software on Linux is very bright and so is our hardware. Functionality will become precedent over cost in this market. We need a bootable bundled distro and Mac-on-Linux. Linux will be a major force in the future. Today, it is still difficult to install software, drivers, set up firewalls, etc., but because of the generous licensing environment and the massive corporate support Linux is gaining (IBM, HP, etc.) as well as government mandates and funding in many countries, it is set to become the "next big thing.? We need to be part of that trend. Any PPC OS that is reasonable to port with external resources is interesting to us. We need a Go/NoGo decision matrix. Again, we are looking for resources and developer talent. For example, while Linux gets the glory, BSDs are running some of the biggest sites. We have seen the first screenshots of OpenBSD running on the Pegasos. Further, there is an increasing amount of interesting open source projects we could find a way to adapt to our use. Finally, we are interested in restoring the Demo Scene to the Pegasos. The traditional and overt message in a demo was technical skill. The visual effects pushed the supposed limits of the platform?s capability and graphics were skillfully executed. Good demos are the marriage of advanced technical, creative and artistic abilities. For the future, we need a new generation of ?Sceners? to be pulling the most from the platform and the OS. This can generate plenty of positive attention. Besides the nVidia butterfly lady has the wrong color wings! This is why we decided to sponsor Equinoxe. All these ?other things? all ultimately bring us back to our key advantage: a completely integrated solution, including hardware, operating system, and applications. Management is working hard to turn this vision into a reality. While the sale of the Pegasos and MorphOS alone could never sustain the Company we are building, it may one day in the future. We use the Pegasos today to begin our move to the future, while insuring the development and growth of the MorphOS. Things could get pretty exciting if we can get that far. Let us not forget that 30 million ?STBs? sold last year ? and they were called ?video game consoles?? Please feel free to provide any feedback to us. Sincerely, Raquel and Bill P.S. If you are still confused go here -- www.lagardere.com -- and select Lagardère Media présente "Focus sur la Télé" on the left. This should help explain everything (even if it is in French!) [Edit: Linkki korjattu. -Thoriel] | ||
| Joanna |
"The April2 brings the Articia fully to the performance levels it claims to achieve. We have purchased the remaining worldwide supply of the old Articias and will make 400 more Pegasos main boards with the G3 CPU. Our G3 Pegasos performs better than the G4 Teron with the Articia." Tietenkin joku voi sanoa ettei tuossa ole mainittu kellotaajuksia Yms, mutta ... No, pakko niiden on tuota selventää aika pian. | ||
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| KimmoK |
Tämä: "Our G3 Pegasos performs better than the G4 Teron with the Articia." kieltämättä kuulostaa rajulta väitteeltä... Siinä annetaan olettaa että A1G4XE@800&L3 olisi hitaampi kuin peg1 G3@600. Mutta en usko että tuo pitää paikkaansa. Myöhemmin bbrv voikin korjata että peg1 suoriutuu paremmin kuin alkuperäinen teron PX ilman patchia, ilman uutta artisiaa ja ilman L3 cachea. Eihän Genesi:llä ole ollut mahdollista edes testata Eyetech:n nyt tarjoamaa kokonaisuutta. Ja aika näyttää, aikanaan. | ||
| Anu Seilonen |
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