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| Pekka Nissinen |
Noissa XE:ssä on tuo uudempi versio tuosta Articia S:stä ja tuo ATX-liitinpaneeli on nyt täysin samanlainen kuin PuuCee:ssa. (eli verkkokortin liitin on nyt siinä USB:n yläpuolella sekä peliportti + audioliittimet ovat nyt rantautuneet emolle) | ||
| KimmoK |
Lyhyt kertaus: BenH:n haastattelusta voi saada vihjeen että AOS4:sta ei ajeta Cebit:ssä A1:llä, jos ollenkaan. Veikkaan kuitenkin että AOS4.0 valmistuu kevään aikana, jollekin platformille. | ||
| Tero |
Minusta täysin käsittämätön väite, väitätkö että täysin ohjelmointikyvyttömät tyypit on vääntänyt Warp 3D:n ? Siis Warp 3D on Hyperionin tuote, ja sitä ei varmasti olisi olemassa, elleivät heillä olisi olemassa kokemusta matalan tason ohjelmoinnista. Olen näitä juttuja tosiaan yrittänyt seurata neutraalisti sivusta, mutta sinä kyllä vähättelet välillä Hyperionin kykyjä välillä vähän turhan innokkaasti ilman, että mietit loppuun asti. | ||
| Joanna |
Sen pidemmälle en tiedä. Voi hyvin olla että he ovat oppineet, ainakin tiedoitus tuntuu hieman realistisemmalta kuin ennen. Mutta sen tuloksen näkee sitten kun heillä on jotain esiteltävää. | ||
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| KimmoK |
>Not saying that having support is bad, but that I am sick of people going "oooooo, 180+ chips, must be great." It's >not great, as AOS4 will never see a good portion of them. How many caards are already supported is not what is important here. What is important here is the target market size of SNAP compared to the target Amiga-only market. Is SNAP's potential userbase particularly huge? Maybe not. But compare that potential market size to the Amiga-only market, who is huge in comparison? This is going to be important when talking to chip or card makers about docs required to make drivers. When we asked Nvidia about getting an NDA for the stuff needed to write GeForce drivers, they are so not interested in AmigaOS they never even bothered to say no, they just completely ignored us. ATI's first reaction was of the "Why the hell would we want to invest our effort in AmigaOS??!!" type, but they agreed when we worked to convince them we'd do ALL the work, we'd take ALL the responsibility and risk, and they wouldn't have a single penny going into AmigaOS Radeon drivers. They are so not intrested in AmigaOS that they really don't like answering questions when we find issues in their docs such as conflicting info on different pages and such, they won't correct their docs just for us. With SNAP, you're now talking AmigaOS 4 users, but you're also talking about Linux and LinuxPPC users now, which may be more interesting to the hardware manufacturers to offer a bit more support, at least to the extent of allowing SciTech and Hyperion access to more docs that Hyperion or Forefront alone are too small for, and hopefuly the hardware vendors will also be more willing to spend time supporting their documentation as well. Please understand, this isn't about the nearly 180 cards on the list already. It's about having better vendor support regarding the newest ones on that list, and getting future hardware on that list easier than without the SNAP stuff, because the larger target market will be more interesting to the vendors this way. This one point is, in my opinion, the biggest one to consider regarding this announcement. And it's good news IMHO. And for the other question about P96 native or SNAP API usage, that would presumably be up to the developer to decide. If you want your driver Amiga-only, use P96, like Elbox does to make sure no one else can take advantage of their work. The more free-minded folks may choose to support SNAP, to give both AmigaOS and Linux types something to use, though I see this more often bringing existing Linux SNAP drivers to us, not the other way around. It may also affect OS3.x users not moving to AmigaOnes or PowerUP cards, as for the moment SNAP sounds like OS4 feature, so P96 drivers would be at least source compatible between 3.x and 4.x OS versions. Mostly depends on what the driver developer wants to do though. _________________ Bill Toner Forefront Technologies Inc. | ||
| KimmoK |
If you have a look at the SNAP sdk, you will find out that this is no API for high-level graphics. As its name implies, it is a driver system, and as such it is not intended to be used directly, in the same sense as SCSI device is not used to read files from disk. SNAP will be integrated as a monitor driver under Picasso96. The original graphics library and the Picasso96 API will be used, like before. Plans are to extend the graphics system starting at 4.1, and eventually replace it and provide an interface for backwards compatibility. There is nothing inconsistant about this. You where just jumping to conclusions. I agree that many of the 180 graphics chips supported will probably never be used in an AmigaOne (TSENG ET4000 anyone), but that is actually not the point. The point is, *if* you want to buy a graphics card, or happen to have one in your hand, chances are that you will find it mentioned on a 180 entry list, as opposed to a list of only 5 or so cards. Also, no one ever claimed that these will be supported with 3D drivers (again the ET 4000 doesn't even have a 3D core). However, the same problem would arise if we or Alexander and Tobias would need to write the 2D drivers, only that we would also be burdened with that one. And, as the press release also states, we are cooperating with SciTech on this, so anything done on their part also benefits OS 4 customers. _________________ Hans-Jörg Frieden Hyperion Entertainment The opinion expressed is mine and does not nescessarily repesent that of Hyperion Entertainment *************** BH haaveilee nuita ajureita 4.0:n ja HJF 4.1:n ... oikea käsi ei tienne mitä vasen tekee yms... | ||
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| KimmoK |
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=2991&limit=no Koska todisteita en oo nähnyt niin enpä voi kommentoida suuntaan enkä toiseen... | ||
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*** For Patrick Ohly: Patrick, could you please contact me privately. Ben Hermans would like to get in contact with you. -- Steve Bowman - Sydney, Australia *** Olisikohan odotettavissa MakeCD:stä OS4-versiota, tai jotain...? No, ainahan sitä saa "unelmoida". | ||
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