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     Janne |
>mitä päähän pälähtää Siitä olemme samaa mieltä. | ||
| Janne |
Senkin tarinan kuulleena ei todellakaan kannata ottaa kaikkea totena mitä listalla on. Jens väittää että Genesi ei maksanut taannoisesta Aachenin keikasta kaikkea mitä piti, mutta kyse siinä on laskutuksen erimielisyydestä - Genesi maksoi mitä oli sovittu omasta mielestään. Schönfeld on aika pihi kaveri ja riitautti homman melko lailla - ja nyt saa lisää vettä myllyynsä... Paha sanoa mikä siinä on totuus, mutta tuolla on tosiaakin monenlaista väittämää taustalla. Sääli ettei bbrv:stä ole hanskaamaan hommaa paremmin. | ||
| Janne |
abandon MorphOS. Perhaps, one day this will change. We have decided to not even waste money on lawyers." Mardet...  No, ainakin oli fiksua jättää lakimiehet kutsumatta. | ||
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| Jon |
Hooligan: kolauta buckkia sillä lapiolla mun puolesta. | ||
| Joanna |
Minusta Cisc sanoo asiasta aika paljon (allaoleva lainattu Moobunnysta jonne joku sen oli postannut).. Ja hyvin samoilla linjoila kuin esim. Bigfoot aiemmin MZ:ssa. " From: "Sigbjørn Skjæret" To: morphos@ml.morphos.net Date: 01 Dec 2004 19:01:30 +0100 Subject: [morphos] Re: MorphOS Statement by Genesi (my 2 Cents) > We have decided to not even waste money on lawyers. > David has committed the illegal act of altering copyrights. Interesting, if that was actually true, wouldn't you have a case then? (hint; no such thing has occured) ..or are you just blowing smoke as usual? > It is impossible to work with this sort of behavior. I'm sure we all think this sucks, and that Zapek could have chosen a better way than what he did, but you're not helping the situation by lying your *bleeps* off to the public while the rest of us chose not to comment until there's a clear outcome... - CISC " | ||
| Janne |
"I could claim that Jens owe me 1680 Euro and I could even put up a hate website against Individual Computers with the domain "C64upgrade.com" or similar and then spend my entire awake time on an Internet crusade against him, trying to run his entire business into the ground. But that won't make it more true. It will only reflect *my* view, and I have a feeling that Jens wouldn't agree with my "justice". In fact, he would probably even try to "threat" (cough! cough!) me via e-mail (that includes email headers from "jens@ami.ga" and all), which I then of course would put right up on my Internet hate-site as an obvious proof of his evilness. Justice you say? I am actually very sorry to see Jens descending into this. I think it's filthy. I thought he stood above shit like this, but I am sorry to verify that this is not the case. Words can not express how disappointed I am with Jens Schönfeld and Individual Computers right at this point." | ||
| Janne |
"> > > How old is David G, btw? > > > > Dunno, but i must say i'm oh, so impressed by BBRV's handling of this > > If David G is a youngster, could you imagine what would happen if /. got > ahold of this story? > > Dammy He's not that young. I'm not terribly impressed about how he's doing this though, he doesn't appear to know what he's doing. Correct me if I'm wrong but: If he has no contract with Genesi they don't owe him anything, end of story. If (as I understand) his contract was with Thendic-France then he should be going to the French government, they took over responsibility for back wages when the bankruptcy happened. His contract will have been nullified by the bankruptcy so he's not owed anything for work done since then, he can always negotiate a licence for it though. There are procedures to be followed in instances like this and he seems to be ignoring them. Myself and others followed them and we got everything we were owed." http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/109078.shtml | ||
| Janne |
"On Wednesday, Dec 1, 2004, AdmV wrote: > Except for one minute, little issue. The Pegasos and MorphOS, ASSUMING the > work was done for THENDIC-FRANCE - then it is also fair to assume that > MorphOS and any derivities AND any work done on such were done for THENDIC, > Not Genesi. Yes. > That is, unless you wish to make the case that Genesi get to do what they > like with Thendic France IP, Products, whatever. Should these too not > belong to the French Government and administrators? No, Genesi cannot use > this excuse. I've no idea, I assume Genesi will have tried to buy the relevent licenses from the administrators. > Either way, it does'nt matter to me. I am perfectly open to the idea that > David Gerber was led on by Genesi - by Genesi, and for Genesi, and was > repeatedly told 'cheque was in the post' idiocy. I'm not debating that, what I'm saying is if he has a legal relationship with entity A then he can only seek his dues from A. > He still clearly has > copyright over parts of MorphOS 1.4, and 1.5 cannot ship unless his IP is > removed. 1.4 can no longer ship now due to license withdrawl. If there is a withdrawl clause in the contract and he has complied with it. I'm not say he's not owed money, I just think his strategy to get it paid is ill judged and looks like it"s backfired - II'm not saying this at the request of Genesi or anyone else, this is my personal opinion. If BBRV have now given up on MorphOS he's pretty much guranteed not to get paid for the work he's done on 1.5. BBRV were MorphOS's biggest supporters, they wanted to do a lot with it, they'll just shrug their shoulders, go off and happily sell Linux machines. MorphOS may continue but as a hobbiest OS at best. So, whats exactly has been gained by all this? Is David any more likely to be paid now than he was 2 weeks ago? He may have damaged Genesi but the effect will be temporary, the effect on MorphOS may well be permanent. The only "winner" is completely unconnected - OS4 will get the rest of the Amiga market by default." | ||
| KimmoK |
Entäs Ralph? Onko Ralph niin rautafirmalainen edelleenkin että tappaa MorphOS:n mieluummin kuin tekisi töitä sen saamiseksi myyntiin omana itsenään, erillään Genesistä tai muista rautafirmoista ?? ... uusi idea ilmastointioteipin ja köyden lisäksi ... Lapsilukko tietokoneeseen jolla estetään Buck:n PR työt. | ||
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as in .. shock & horror.. käyttäjille! | ||
| Frn |
Eipä silti, jos MorphOS1.5 tulisi myyntiin, se olisi hyvä asia käyttäjille. Siinä on vaan ongelma, että tämä ei ratkaisisi jatkokehitystä, mistä rahat siihen. Tolisi tietysti joitain ropoja taskun pohjalle, joten ei se kehittelijöiden kannaltakaan ihan huono asia olisi. | ||
| hooligan/dcs |
* Jos Ambient 1.4 olisi edes maksetun arvoinen niin käsittäisin, mutta se on täysin raakile joka pitää korvata Magellanilla. Ei voi suomalainen mies ymjärtä miten on pokkaa vaatia vielä lisää rahaa keskiverrosti tehdystä duunista. Ambient 1.5sta en ota kantaa kun en ole sitä omin silmin nähnyt, eikä tiettävästi kovinkaan moni muukaan.. Epäilen vahvasti ettei se ole 26.500 euron arvoinen. * (tämä siis jos Gerber on AINOASTAAN väsäillyt Ambientin kimpussa. Saattaahan tuo olla muutakin tehnyt.) | ||
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| Joanna |
Miksuh: tuo 26K€ on noin vuoden palkka (brutto)+ kesälomat.. Paljon vähemmän kuin esim mitä yksinomaan Beck Bolton:illä on Amigaincilta (yli 60 tuhatta USD + korot) joka on oikeus-tasolla virallistettu jo pari vuotta sitten. Siinä olen samaa mieltä että minullekkin on jäänyt vaikutelma että BBRV palkkaa ketä sattuu mihin hommaan sattuu. Eli ainakin osa tekijöistä (Wayne luultavimpana) on todennäköisesti myös ollut aiheesta saamatta tahoja tekemättömästä työstä. | ||
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| KimmoK |
Kaikkia taustoja kun ei tiedä niin ei tiedä onko sovitteluehdotukset olleet kohtuulliset jos työ on jäänyt vajaaksi. Buck näkyy haukkuvan herkästi niiden työt joille ei ole varaa maksaa... | ||
| hooligan/dcs |
David Gerberin osalta otin jo kantaa aikaisemmin. Muista en osaa sanoa muuta kun että he ansaitsevat rahansa kunnes toisin todistetaan. | ||
| Janne |
>ja hänen tapauksessaan kallistun siihen ettei >miehellä ole oikeutta vaatia nimettyä summaa. Samaa mieltä. Kyse oli siis tapahtumavuokrasta Aachenissa jossa Schönfeld järjesti tapahtuman. Genesi väittää että maksoi kaiken mitä sovittiin (paikanpäällä). Schönfeld päätti tapahtuman jälkeen että tapahtumaan liittyi vielä muita kuluja jotka pitää laskuttaa - ja Genesi ei enää suostunutkaan maksamaan näitä uusia sepityksiä. Siinä on kahden yrityksen välisestä riitelystä kysymys. Asiat ja periaatteet. Sitä oli aivan turha sotkea tähän palkka/yksityinen alihankkija -sotkuun (joka on tehty vieläpä "kaapatulla" yrityssivulla, ei millään omalla erillisellä protestisivullaan), mutta kertoo näemmä aika paljon Schönfeldistä että hän teki niin. Wayne Huntin tekemisistä en tiedä. Mies on melkoinen ääliö ollut ainakin aikaisemmin, mutta niin on bbrv:kin. bbrv olisi silti fiksu jos vain maksaisi jahka saa rahoja ja unohtaisi asian. Nyt tulee vain paljon badwillia, vaikka todella olisikin niin että Hunt alihankkijana olisi ollut surkeaakin surkeampi. Sama tosin kai koskee vähän Schönfeld-juttua - ehkä Genesin olisi vain kannattanut maksaa aikoinaan 840 e oikein tai ei. Nyt se asia on vaivannut vuosia kun Schönfeld on antanut sen näkyä omissa toimissaan... Mutta mitä voi odottaa pariskunnasta jossa on ranskalainen nainen ja jenkkiläinen sotilas? Periaatteen puolesta epäilemättä ollaan vaikka kuinka ääliöitä sellaisella taustalla. | ||
| KimmoK |
(Jensin mukaan Genesi olisi maksanut vain osan tarvitsemastaan lattiatilasta) Mutta yx pazkan hailee. Jens voisi osottaa hieman suurempaa kypsyyttä asian käsittelyssä. ((Jens ei mahda olla yhtää BBRV:tä tai Eweniä parempi PR miäs.)) btw. Eikö morphos.net olekaan morphos developereiden oma sivusto??? Sehän sentäs oli olemassa ennen Genesitä. | ||
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| Janne |
>toisin. >(Jensin mukaan Genesi olisi maksanut vain osan >tarvitsemastaan lattiatilasta) Genesin versio tarinasta taas on toinen. Molemmat tappelee periaatteesta. Jens tekee sen ikävä kyllä aivan väärää tietä nyt Gerberin "kaapattua" MorphOS:in virallisen saitin... | ||
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| KimmoK |
Ahaa. Jonku tarttis päivittää morphos.org indikoimaan että homma jatkuu ja että morphos.de ja morphos.net ei enään edusta virallista MOS developereiden sivustoa. | ||
| hooligan/dcs |
From (laire at t-online.de,{laire@pier@pier.de} (Ralph Schmidt) Can you all please stop these money suggestion threads. I've said about 2 weeks ago on this mailinglist that the situation is far more complicated and all your suggestions about money are though by good will completely unproductive. | ||
| itix |
kimmok: Se ei muuttaisi tosiasioita mihinkään. Genesi on velkaa sekä David Gerberille että Stefan Stuntzille. | ||
| hooligan/dcs |
Hankala voittaa jos sopimusta ei ole mustaa valkoisella :/ | ||
| KimmoK |
Popcornit ei kyllä maistu. | ||
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| Janne |
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php? news_id=9002&offset=60&rows=68#309072 | ||
| Janne |
what you promote and/or understand. That, of course, is fine in itself, but let's be clear: you are not an owner or a potential customer. Your interest is purely to damage and dismay. At least, we made it into the forties of posts before this sort of trolling appeared. That is an improvement! Here is a statement we have made about MorphOS: http:// www.genesi.lu/morphos_statement.php As for OpenBSD, we have been in communication with Dale this past month. When OpenBSD is restored to the status he achieved for the ODW, he will be fully paid for what he was retained to do. We are asking nothing more. So, Lennart, what part of these statements don't you understand. Please be prepared to document any further allegations you make. As for customer opinions on our service orientation you are directed to this thread started yesterday. http: //www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/ viewtopic.php?topic_id=... :-) R&B Tuossa ketjussa on muutakin bbrv:n kommentointia niille joita kiinnostaa... | ||
| Janne |
between David and us. He has chose this negotiation technique. He is 26 and lives with his parents. 2. The other side of the story was posted earlier in this thread. 3. David has been paid for the work/development we distribute. We do not agree with the financial demands he is currently making or the actions he has taken. He has no contract. You can *always* email us. It is probably a more suitable place for this discussion. R&B bbrv@genesi.lu | ||
| Janne |
once the other party has decided to take one side of the story public. http://www.genesi.lu/morphos_statement.php That takes care of the first four. 5. Wayne Hunt (this has been posted before because Wayne chose not to follow Paul's advice) From: "Paul Adams" Date: January 3, 2004 4:11:04 AM CET To: "Wayne Hunt (E-mail)" Cc: "Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck (E-mail)" Subject: Official Corporate Position Reply-To: Wayne From all reports, you have completed your responsibilities to transfer all required access data relative to the Genesi web sites. Now that we have complete access to the site, we will evaluate what you have actually delivered to Genesi and determine within the next two weeks whether or not we believe you are owed any further consulting fees. As for expenses, please scan and email to me the phone bill you mentioned in your email of this afternoon. Also, regarding your New Orleans trip, please send me an email breaking down those expenses, with scanned receipts as well. Upon receipt of the breakdown, I will advise you on the timing of any reimbursement. Effective immediately, you are no longer to use the email address wayne@genesi-usa.com for any purposes. That email address will be shut down and forwarded to me. After this email, I will contact you on your amiga.org address. Now that all is safely within our corporate control, I will respond to your actions over the past several days. You were brought on as a consultant on April 9, 2003 with the task of managing the Genesi web development effort and with the goal of having a completed web site with a fully functional on line store completed by July 15, 2003. At your consulting rate of $5,000 a month, the budget for the first phase of the web site was $15,000, not including the consulting fees to the people you were required to manage. You did not deliver the functional site and additional expenses were incurred to conduct a web developers meeting in Sacramento to bring the effort to focus. Each month, the site was delayed. Faced with a deadline of October 15, 2003, you scrambled, coded with bubble gum and duct tape and put a marginally functional site on line. Over the next two months, you were requested to bring to the site the functionality you were being paid to deliver. You never did. As of today, you have been paid a total of $38,000 in consulting fees, which represents full payment through December 1, 2003. You were paid more in consulting fees than any other Genesi consultant and delivered the least. As you may recall, you received your first check for a full month of consulting 9 days after being brought on board. I am attaching a full breakdown of payments that have been made to date. Even assuming you have earned any consulting fees through December 30th, the most you would be owed is $5,064.52. Since you seem to think it may be somehow clever to disparage Genesi in your online postings, please be advised that we are prepared to respond. Genesi is a start up company, so delays in payment of obligations are not that unusual. Should we be required to respond to any on line postings, we will show that, for a start up, we exhibited a tremendous degree of tolerance for your incompetence before terminating your consulting services. You were paid over twice the budgeted amount for your services yet never delivered the product you were contracted to deliver. In our dealings, you demonstrated a fundamental inability to manage either people or products. You also do not appear capable of even managing yourself. Your action in changing the administrative password to deny access to the site was appallingly unprofessional. Attempting to hold a web site hostage while demanding twice what you may reasonably be owed is despicable. Your mingling of corporate and personal data at zone edit jeopardized corporate data and made the access transfer process much more difficult than it should have been. You have demonstrated without a doubt that you are not fit for any position of trust. Your posting of inappropriate images on the web site demonstrated your complete lack of judgment and fundamental unfitness for any position of responsibility or discretion. Finally, your false statements to me that you were told to post those pictures “ASAP” establishes your utter lack of integrity. You never seemed to understand that consulting fees are earned by performance, not simply because you survived another 30 days. Considering your poor performance and failure to deliver the contracted product, your demand for anything demonstrates an incredible level of arrogance. This email will be placed in the corporate records as the official position of Genesi regarding your performance as a consultant. Should you desire to provide a response to Genesi’s official position, I will include that in the corporate records along with this document. Having said that, I have no intention of engaging in a debate with you over your performance. We have no intention of making any aspect of this position public. If, however, you decide to commence an on line discussion of Genesi, I can assure you that we will identify you as a disgruntled former consultant and post a response containing the points outlined above to place your comments into perspective. Paul Adams Chief Operating Officer Genesi - USA 6. Sjoerd de Vries We provided him a reduced cost board to through a program we developed for Journalists. He spent that money to buy the board. The understanding was that if he return the board we would give him his money back. He did not return the board to Genesi. He returned it to a Reseller. We never received the board. We feel the Reseller should return the funds as the Reseller resold the board and it was never returned to Genesi. 7. This has been discussed on many Forums. Jens Schoenfeld organized this show in which we participated: http://www.pegasosppc.com/gallery.php?id=1 We paid Jens in cash and in full at the Show. He signed the invoice. There were also witnesses. Jens came to us *after* the Show and claimed additional funds we due. We refused to pay. We were the #1 draw without question for the Show. He kept all the admission proceeds (eight DM or something like that) and we paid him $2000+ for the space. 8. Dale. We made a statement on this thread and then there is this: http://www.phinixi.com/tiki-index.php?page=OpenBSD- Peg+Wrap-up This includes all the discussion. === If this does not satisfy you please ask more questions. You may need to send us an email to remind us you are still here. R&B | ||
| hooligan/dcs |
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha! ei ihme että on ruikuttamassa kyhnyä, viikkorahat ei riitä kaikkeen =) | ||
| Joanna |
Aika moni joutuisi muuttamaan takaisin kotiin jos olisi 20 tuhatta euroa tms rahaa saamatta. Lopputulokseen ylläoleva ei vaikuta, mutta onhan jonkinlainen näkökulma. | ||
| hooligan/dcs |
nooh vitsi vitsinä | ||
| Joanna |
Eipä se minulta ainakaan jaksa viedä yöunia miten tuo asia hoidetaan tai ei hoideta. Parenpi tietenkin olisi että se hoidettaisiin jotenkin, ja mielummin muualla kuin webbiboardeilla. Mutta tuon sanominen taitaa olla vanhan toistoa. | ||
| KimmoK |
Mutta häntä voitaneen toki pitää parhaana Amigamaisuuksien Joulupukkina vuonna 2003. respektiä siitä. | ||
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| Janne |
oikeassa. Voimme olla samaa mieltä varmaan siitä, että Buckin tapa hoitaa asioita anteeksi pyytelemättä ei ainakaan voita hänelle hirveästi ystäviä - ja paremmin voisi tehdä. Mutta mitä jos Buck on oikeassa ja Gerber väärässä. Tai Buck oikeassa ja Jens väärässä jne. Sitä on mahdoton tietää. Tuntuu että suurimmalla osalla oma totuus taipuu siihen suuntaan mihin haluaa uskoa. Todellinen totuus, jos sellaista nyt tässä tapauksessa on, voi olla ihan mitä vaan. Tokkopa siinä todellisessa skenariossa Buck puhtaana pulmusena esiin tulee, mutta kuinka likaisena muut tulevat onkin se kysymys. Mietinpä että saammekohan koskaan tietää. Siihen saakka kaikki uskovat mitä haluavat. | ||
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Robin, that is not true. Worse, you ignore everything that has been and still is being done. The issue is that we don't want to pay what is being claimed - in fact we cannot pay it. We cannot afford to pay it. We don't have enough resources to produce boards and operate the Company *and* pay for MorphOS development. It is just a fact. Maybe, we should set up a PayPal account for all you folks who think our money grows on trees. We would like to see MorphOS be very successful, but there is also another problem. The value and the opportunity for the result achieved is not congruent. At least 80% of our sales in 2004 were driven by Linux and not MorphOS. There is not enough money from sales to support MorphOS. Alternatively, we have had in the last few months a couple of opportunities to accept outside financing. We have chosen not to accept the offers that have been made. In one case, it was the people, in another, it boiled do to an issue of control. In the second case, they wanted nothing to do with MorphOS. They wanted us to focus exclusively on Linux and we are still not willing to do that. Remember, Robin, Genesi and bplan do not have "venture" investors. Genesi and bplan only have themselves to pay for everything. The Pegasos has cost alot of money and effort to develop. So too, MorphOS. We have contributed financially and significantly to the MorphOS effort. We have provided all core developers with at least two machines since September of 2002 if not more. We gave the machines to them for free. In fact, we shipped another 50 FREE ODWs to developers in the last month. Many of these went to MorphOS developers. Did you ever see this: http://www.genesi.lu/morphos_statement.php The posting on MorphOS.net significantly damaged the biggest opportunity we had for MorphOS. We have a hard time accepting the information posted there. It is not accurate and it twists facts to satisfy the claimants. It is not based on any valid contractual agreement. We never told any of those people listed we would pay those amounts unless they achieved a certain documented result or specific conditions were met. Some of the claims made are complete shams. The individuals know it, they just figured it was a good time to participate in some Genesi-bashing because they know they will not get another cent from us. We won't be blackmailed and that is what that is. MorphOS may have to finally go ahead on its own. If that happens we would be willing to bet that it will never gain the level of support we once provided. But, the whole story is not over yet. MorphOS won't die because of us. We are still very interested in its success. With regret, R&B http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/ viewtopic.php?topic_id=3156&forum=11 | ||
| Joanna |
Hemmetin noloa. | ||
| KimmoK |
Tuo bbrv viimeisin lausahdus on taas lapiollinen skeidaa Amigamaisen pegasoksen ostaneille. | ||
| Janne |
http://bbrv.blogspot.com/ | ||
| hooligan/dcs |
>Tuo bbrv viimeisin lausahdus on taas lapiollinen skeidaa Amigamaisen pegasoksen ostaneille. Mielestäni tuo viimeinen lausahdushan on prikulleen oikea arvio eikä niinkään paskan kaatamista. Ei kai kukaan voi tosissaan väittää että MorphOS tulee saamaan saman luokan näkyvyyttä tapahtumissa ym. ilman Genesin apua, kuin mitä se on pari viime vuotta saanut? | ||
| KimmoK |
Minusta se on silkkaa kakkaa että he myyvät porukoille amigakoneen ja sitten kylmästi tuumaavat jotta: "We don't have enough resources to produce boards and operate the Company *and* pay for MorphOS development." bbrv on koko ajan tiennyt toiminnan tappiollisuuden, eikä sitä siitä muuksi näytä olevan muuttumassa, he eivät suostu keräämään rahaa MOS:n tuotekehityksen maksamiseksi, he ajattelevat VAIN Linux markkinoita. Kun MOS:a ei päästetä irti tuon HW valmistajan pefan alta, sen käy parhaimmillaan kuin AOS:n 90 luvulla, huonoimmillaan RIP. "Ei kai kukaan voi tosissaan väittää että MorphOS tulee saamaan saman luokan näkyvyyttä tapahtumissa ym. ilman Genesin apua, kuin mitä se on pari viime vuotta saanut?" Se kyllä on täysin totta! (siinä kait syytäkin siihen että Ralph alkoi Genesi:tä) Täydellisessä maailmassa bplan olisi vain yksi amigamaisen käyttiksen kanssa yhteensopivan raudan valmistajista, ja BB toimisi VAIN sen raudan HYVÄNÄ markkinoijana. juupajaa.... katsotaanpa mitä tämä vuosi tuo tullessaan ... en tohdi lyödä vetoa että Eyetech ja Hyperionkaan nykyistä Genesiitä paremmin vuoden lopulla porksuttaisi... tähän asti on leikitty vasta esileikkiä ... aika näyttää. Yksi asia on varmaa... genesi järjestää HURJASTI tasoitusta AOS:lle AOS4 vs MOS1.5 taistossa. | ||
| hooligan/dcs |
>Minusta se on silkkaa kakkaa että he myyvät porukoille amigakoneen ja sitten kylmästi tuumaavat jotta: "We don't have enough resources to produce boards and operate the Company *and* pay for MorphOS development." Onhan se tietysti vähän noinkin. Itse henk koht en kanna kaunaa Genesille vaikka MorphOS:n kehitys loppuisikin. Kone on toiminut hienosti, käyttis on toiminut niin hyvin että syrjäytti Windowsin pääkäyttiksestä, en minä ainakaan valita= IMO, on ollut hintansa väärtti. | ||
| JPQ |
mainitaan ? | ||
| hooligan/dcs |
Töissä saa ja joutuu tulostelemaan kuolemaan asti paperia, herran isä jos sitä vielä kotonakin joutuisi tekemään =) Joku tulostus on aika kaukana kärkipäästä asioista mitkä pitäisi saada nopeasti kondikseen. Aloitetaan nyt vaikka tuesta yleisimmille Radeon-korteille, siinä on jo työsarkaa enemmän kuin tarpeeksi. | ||
| JPQ |
toimillisuudet on tärkeitä. Ja kyllä uskottavuus on minusta enempi tulostuksesta kiinni kuin Radeoneiden tuesta. (hunoinkin käyttis osaa kaiketi tulostaa muttei välttämättä sisällä mitään 3d juttuja) Tosin sanomasikin tärkeää. | ||
| bbrv |
It is so much more complicated than a message board, but we will do our best. Raquel and Bill | ||
| Janne |
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/ viewtopic.php? mode=viewtopic&topic_id=3124&forum=2&start=80&viewmode =flat&order=0 "Henes Re: MorphOS devs problems needs a solution very soon! Cocoon Joined: 2003/6/14 Posts: 42 From: Level: 5 >David Gerber is an immature child who lives at home with his parents This is not true and bbrv very well know it. So, what's the point with all that? I mean, why am I forced to correct such lie while I certainly have better to do? By the way, to understand how pathetic it is, check the swiss registry of commerce: http://rc.geneve.ch/RC/Consultation/Consultationcomplete.asp? no_dossier=12143%2F2003&typeconsultation=CP Or visit http://rc.geneve.ch/ and search for genesi sarl. "Date de consultation : 11.01.2005" "Situation au : 11.01.2005" "Raison de commerce ou nom de la succursale" "Genesi S.à.r.l., Luxembourg, succursale de Genève" "Gerber David" "dir. succursale" Today, David is the official director of Genesi Switzerland while he asks to be removed sine many many many months. So, back to the initial quote about an immature child living at home with his parents: why some people would try to badmouth the director of their own company? »2005/1/12 0:22 bbrv Re: MorphOS devs problems needs a solution very soon! Priest of the Order of the Butterfly Joined: 2003/2/14 Posts: 629 From: Paris, France Level: 22 Nicolas, it seems the real question is how we made the mistake of trusting David with such responsibility for as long as we did. Everyone knew what the situation was, most of all people such as yourself who were in Paris and lived through the difficulties there. The sad part of the whole matter is that most people do not understand the financial requirements of mounting such an effort, which does not involve just software development but hardware development and production, marketing and most importantly sales. If there aren't Pegasos machines out there then there is not much of a conversation is there? How many other companies are out there and alive trying to do all the same things? Apple? Who else? What David has done with morphos.net hurt Genesi and hurt MorphOS. While we (Genesi and MorphOS) were being seriously considered as a viable option for some large companies we are no more. Will we have a chance again one day? We might, but it won't happen as long as the antagonism continues. You threw us off the MorphOS mailing list last week. Honestly, in the history of MorphOS has there ever been a bigger financial contributor and supporter? How many free machines do you yourself have that we paid for? How about others? How long were you employed and did get a salary for the "work" that was your passion already? You are still getting your ASSEDIC payments right? Ask yourself why. What happened hurt everyone, but this continuous and unrealistic view of things damages the future and makes the opportunity if there will ever be one again harder to achieve. What David did on morphos.net was and is wrong. We have fully paid David for everything we release. When we can afford to pay him for what he has done and he agrees to what we can afford there may be another release. Until then making the situation worse is bad for everyone. We cannot understand why you and others do not understand this. R&B" | ||
| Joanna |
En ole mitään kirjaa pitänyt eri ihmisten kommenteista tai suuntautimisesta tässä asiassa mutta senverran monelta on tullut julkista palautetta BBRV:lle (esim MZ:ssa) että asia on käynyt selväksi. Eli...tilanne on tuollainen.. Enkä valitettavasti tässä vaiheessa jaksa uskoa siihen että sitä saataisiin selvitettyä järjellisessä ajassa. | ||
| Janne |
We will continue to support MorphOS application development. We will provide boards and the ODW to Developers that we see will use them best. We will continue to support MDC and MZ. We will continue to bundle 1.4.x with the ODW. The SuperBundle will be slimmed down and focused on just a few apps. We will support a high bandwidth download server for special distributions of new MorphOS applications. Whatever happens to the core team of developers - they form a company, they sell 1.5, they work together with the OS4 community, etc., etc. and/or whatever, we will not impede them in any way. There will be no claims related to anything done or supported in the past - that goes for Amiga Inc. too. Good luck! We hope all the parties concerned will find a successful future. If one day we find a potential and profitable opportunity for MorphOS we will do our best to pull things back together. R&B http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/ viewtopic.php?topic_id=3200&forum=11 | ||
| Janne |
>Kannattaa BBRV:n kommentteja lukiessa muistaa että >läheskään kaikki Mos:in ympärillä olevat ihmiset eivät ole >BBRV:n kannalla tai yhdy heidän näkemyksiinsä. Porukka on molemmilla puolilla kaivautunut aika syvälle - sieltä on vaikea nousta esiin. Totuudenkaan. Olisi kiva tietää, mutta vaikea voi olla lopulta selvittää Mitä Oikein Kävi. Jotain voimme saada kunhan juotamme taas Pirua jossain sopivassa häppeningissä. | ||
| Joanna |
Nyt pitäisi olla jo selvää ettei BBRV/Genesi aio maksaa keskustelun alla olleita (Esim DGerberin vaatimia) saatavia ilman lakitoimia... Sitä en tosin tiedä olisiko lakitoimet mahdollisia/hyödyllisiä, puhumattakaan siitä että onko semmoiselle edes oikeudellisia perustelujakaan olemassa. Pikkuisen myöhään muistutit juottamis.ideasta.. nyt on jo lauantai-ilta pitkällä ja Alt-party kohta ohi. |